the countdown to the next winter olympics begins it's exactly one year until russia hosts its first ever winter games that promise to become the most unique as well as the most expensive in history. but now officials are in a celebrate tory mood russia's president has lashed out at overspending even sacked a key figure behind so she twenty fourteen. and the man behind america's most controversial drone deployment strategy goes before the senate and icon for men in a confirmation hearing to become the head of the c i a. plus the charm oil in tunisia intensifies fresh clashes between anti-government protesters and police are accompanied by political chaos with the ruling islamists defying the

prime minister's decision to reshuffle the government. world news live from our moscow headquarters here watching our team with me lucy confident of well it's now exactly one year until the opening of the twenty fourteen winter olympic games here in russia special giant clocks on the country's largest cities have begun the countdown for the events that is going to be held in the black sea resort city of sochi now the main celebrations marking the count down. back to the camera the countdown have taken place in sochi itself or on and off with a spectacular gala show argues andrew farmer is in the city for us and shows us how

the preparations for the games have been going on the mood on the ground. the place you can see the big spirit has weapon truth so it works like a city sky to speak yeah that was a spectacular skating show but it's not going pay at the beach games or the deep stuff a nice time for several reasons the city going to be the first to be held within acceptable billion dollars this is the big con caves in things like a public speech he's going through to be very compact you will be able to just jump into trying within fifteen minutes you can be on the minds of my piano to enjoy my new things a second late most of the fees are being built from scratch something very unusual i'm not privy to the stream companies can still play nice expensive history let me give you something billion dollars but if you do look around and see what money can buy the organizing committee says a soldier will be ready in twenty. meanwhile authorities are also keeping

a close eye on the progress in sochi before it becomes hosts or hundreds of thousands of sportsmen and women and guests from around the globe but now russian president vladimir putin has been personally checking the olympic venues he says he is generally happy with what he saw he did however fire one top official for delays and cost overruns and construction work following this abrupt conversation take a look literature in your view are there any cost overruns and yes a serious increase in costs but since they use their own funds for the construction on phones. it's financed by the funds of president clinton who's the shareholder of crescent spends so it's largely finance at the expense of sperm bank yes and these cost overruns are paid for by sperm bank yes it spending one of the costs of this whole facility cost what's the overall cost of the what your initial even assessing the amount of the loan. what's a rough estimate. this initial pressure one point two billion. was in one point two

billion has turned into a big. yes we'll do a good work let's move on. to some cutting words there by president putin which as we reported didn't go without consequences for at least one official of course will be monitoring the developments in sochi right here on our team as it readies for one of the world's biggest and most prestigious sporting events stay with us. well from drone strikes to torture techniques tough questions are in store for barack obama's nominee for the cia head at his confirmation hearing in the senate which has just kicked off now it's already been interrupted by protests but it has

now resume john brennan is widely seen as an architect of the u.s. drone strategy in an effort to avoid scrutiny around brennan's can of the see the u.s. president has even agreed to hand over classified documents justifying the killing of american terror suspects abroad now that is after years of keeping it a secret as art and its you can reports confirmation might broaden the horizons for america's drone fleet. in the shadows no more drones are moving into the mainstream was drone makers in the u.s. military pushing to defend the killing machine drones are more properly titled remotely piloted vehicles allow us to do is to project capability without projecting vulnerability and their revolutionizing north america by loudly nice to see and keep you from half a world away a major drone manufacturer lockheed martin has financed an hour long documentary on drones aired recently on u.s. public television counting the technological capabilities of the killing machine

from trailers like this pilots of the predator and its larger cousin the reaper have killed thousands of individual since two thousand and one using remotely piloted aircraft contrary to popular belief actually provides the greatest degree of ethical oversight for their use of this young man in pakistan would probably disagree several of his family members died at the remote hands of a drone more than a thousand other civilians were reportedly killed by u.s. drone strikes in pakistan and yemen we find ourselves murdering people in many cases children with no evidence whatsoever that they're involved in any criminal or terrorist activity the numbers should not come as a surprise considering the broad definition the obama administration gives us to who should be on their kill list the leaked memo on targeted assassinations from the us justice department suggests the us government can kill people even without

evidence that they are actively plotting against america if you extend the logic or studio logic being pretty out by the white house now you come to the list you might say that we're in danger of going over we're getting very close to zero thought crimes that if somebody a u.s. citizen or otherwise is believed to be thinking something that could lead to actions against you know. it states then this illogical logic would present the idea that it would be ok for the president to order that that person be killed the spite the u.n. raising concerns about the legality of the use of drones the us is said to expand its remote control warfare setting up new drone bases across the world the latest announcement a new facility in asia where obama has redefined war during intervention in libya he made the case that the war powers act in the quiet because there was no risk to american soldiers and so under that rationale he can expand the global war while in

his state of the union address claiming that we don't need perpetual war for peace but it is perpetual war when you can drop bombs on any country and then claim that it's not working john brennan often referred to as the architect of the administration's drone war counts the new opportunities for the us to wage wars without risking american lives there's another reason a targeted strikes can be a wise choice to strategic consequences that inevitably come with the use of force . as we have seen deploying large armies abroad won't always be our best offense all in all the u.s. now has around ten thousand drones in its fleet not all of them carry weapons of course a lot of them are for surveillance both domestic and international there's a great push both from the administration and the drone makers to present them as america's next best thing john brennan if confirmed will soon be at the helm of the cia and no one doubts that under him the program will expand even further the goal

is pretty much clear to be able to control the world with a remote control in washington i'm going to stick around. ok let's get more analysis now on barack obama's pick for the cia head as well as the implications that those toys holds we're going to be joined live right now by activist and author david swanson david thanks so much for being back on the program now mr brennan is of course known for methods that have frankly enraged and even alienated many of america's allies especially when we're talking about interrogation methods and the drone program what in your view what his approval his confirmation in the senate mean for washington's foreign policy it would mean that someone who was deemed unacceptable four years previous speaks most of his involvement in torture and rendition of about which we've learned nothing but additional negative information is now acceptable the close he engages in a program of murder and the goodness of the murder outweighs the bad news of the

torture and this is actually how people think and how they talk that murdering people is or legal more acceptable more moral and just really then capturing people in torturing them as if anyone is captured must be tortured and so forth and as if we must have a ground war anywhere we don't have a drone war but this is out there thinking and it is absolutely revolting there there are many americans who do object but we're in a minority well they have had harsh words for sure but. you may be in the minority of course as you mentioned john brennan was forced to withdraw his own canada see back in two thousand and eight over the same sorts of issues so why do you think president obama so came to see him at the at the head of the agency if we already know that this is in fact controversial. well obama thinks that he can get it through and that it's not terribly controversial and he may very well be right i certainly hope not some friends of mine just interrupted the hearing of course that to us stop and take

a break and everyone be removed from the room as it began is the confirmation or rejection hearing for john brennan but congressman the senate had a bill to prohibit extrajudicial killing a couple of years ago and got six co-sponsors out of four hundred thirty four a recent poll found that while only twenty four percent of americans support killing americans with drones eighty three percent support killing non americans with drones so there is a clear bias you can do the math and see what percentage of americans are bigots but i david at the end of the day we are having this conversation now this confirmation hearing has raised a lot of questions about the the targeted killing program it is at least being part of the media discourse right now do you feel that there is perhaps some sort of a shift some sort of a change where people are really sort of waking up and asking themselves whether this is a rational policy that that works in the u.s. as favor and as morally. ok frankly yes it's starting it's picking up i don't know

how fast or how far it will go and i'm trying to note you know log it's coming from the domestic side as well charlottesville virginia where i live became the first city to pass an anti drone resolution twelve states are looking at them there are these concerns about surveillance and weaponized drones with the in the united states and it's opening up the conversation about the foreign use of drones as all of these absurd memos were i dragged before us for charged with mass murder i could not say your honor i have a memo i've drafted explaining why this is ok and a president should not be able to do that either but that seems to be where the debate is going unless we can keep pushing further and harder the awareness of the outrages that are being committed the civilian deaths the children's deaths the targeting. americans and all americans. well i'll certainly be curious to see whether those civilian deaths will be actually mentioned in that hearing but i guess we'll be holding our breaths thank you so much david swanson

author of the book war of the law a blogger and activist who is joining us live from the u.s. . intrusion anti-government protests are increasingly turning into violent clashes with the police in the capital security forces have used tear gas to disperse crowds now the interior ministry meanwhile the political crisis in the country is deepening with the ruling is a must party rejecting the prime minister's call to dissolve the government and form an interim cabinet in the wake of the assassination of. the secular opposition leader well are to his very own maria for an ocean a has the latest from tunis. the day after the assassination of the prominent opposition leader here in the tunisian capital it seems the temperatures are still very high and tensions are still at a very dangerous the very risky level the level that is threatening and challenging the security instability in this country coaches happen continuing throughout

thursday we've seen many many people on the streets and we've been hearing them chanting and to governmental slogans and i've been many clashes between police and opposition supporters today again and again police has been using tear gas against protesters but not only the clashes between protesters and. opposition supporters have been going on here in tunisian capital my crew and me we've been attacked today here actually by a group of youngsters with and the only reason for that because it was just because we filmed them and they have been field and i think that tells a lot about how is the situation on the ground that it could be described as something very close to chaotic we've been hearing about similar violence and similar disturbances throughout the country especially in the southern part of tunisia where the headquarters of the ruling party has been vandalized people are saying that friday will be even worse on friday they say the protest may go even

more violent intentions may go even further because friday will be the day of the funerals of the opposition leader also we've been hearing that the country's trade union has been calling on national wide strike on friday that means that the country could be paralyzed i've heard from texas driving today that no one will do work it's course it will only a great the things. part is maria from there now here at r t you were here to deliver the news to you but sometimes we want to hear your point of view now if you head over to our web site r t v dot com you can vote in an. online poll and weigh in on what you think the outcome of the latest bout of tunisian protests will be now you'll find four options to choose from there let's take a look at how the opinion has been divided so far from those of you who have voted there's the results right there on our plasma screen now the outcome

a majority of you have already voted think that tunisia will in fact plunge into further rest now almost a third of you fear that the latest upsurge of public unrest could in fact lead to a government crackdown on protesters that is in fact what we've been seeing now a little fewer of you a slightly larger smaller number believe that the country could in fact see another revolution and almost one fifth of you on the contrary think that the leadership is ready for political concessions and we've got a lot more stories for you after a short break go online vote in the poll and stay with us. well. it's technology innovations all the latest developments around russia we've got the future covered. you know sometimes you see

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a battle between the north and the south at an e.u. meeting in brussels states on a collision course over spending plans for the next few years britain is the loudest voice among those calling for a budget cut something as fiercely opposed by a southern countries heavily dependent on the e.u. funds the artes tests are still reports for us from brussels. we've seen some of the leaders who had arrived here already making strong statements first of all david cameron continuously saying that if the budget is not brought down to a level that he is happy with there will be no deal we've heard from countries who are saying that they maybe use their veto if they are not happy such as the czech republic to simplify the vickery going on right now it would be between a northern and southern a country as you can see the wealthier nations versus those that actually depend more on the e.u. funding on the one hand you have countries like the u.k. germany the netherlands denmark these countries are supporting harsher cuts to the

e.u. budget david cameron being the most radical and controversial taking this step now he has been demanding since november last year in two thousand and twelve that was the first strike today is the second try and since that until now he's been demanding for cuts in brussels bureaucracy for instance he wants to reduce payments of officials here and this has not gone down well with brussels officials they also want to reduce their pensions for instance but on the other side you have those countries who are dependent on these forums and one of the loudest voices on this is. france now he is saying and pointing a finger at the u.k. saying they want cuts but at the same time they are very protective of the so-called u.k. rebate this is the money that the u.k. gets back from the e.u. as a return for their payments on farm subsidies which the u.k. does not benefit from and which france benefits from you can see a lot of the national interests coming here to the forefront so france well it's certainly not happy with what if you read between the lines would say hypocritical

taken by the u.k. that rebate is worth three point five billion euros and is seen to be wanting to tackle that point also the u.k. is coming into this summit this is the first time since that out referendum that he said that he would pose the question of whether he should remain in the e.u. twenty seven reelected twenty eight fifteen of course this is a possibility of a creating even more tension in the u.k. with the cost benefit of actually being a member of the e.u. interpreted by the other members not being a team player in this regard. talking about budget cuts on the e.u. level we see the budget cuts on a more local ground level you see the ante yesterday protests continuing even until today people very angry at the box imposed on them on their livelihoods of their pensions are on their potential jobs well that you cannot agree upon a budget of their own. well while the e.u.

leaders are fighting over where to cut there's one item that's apparently immune from any also already measures the e.u. is reportedly planning to spend over three million dollars to wage a so-called propaganda blitz on his critics in the social media well nigel farage from the u.k. independence party says the project would have violate one of the main principles of the european parliament. they decided that they got to train in how staff in the run up to the european elections of twenty fourteen train those people to go online to look at facebook twitter other social media sites and to correct that's their word not mine to correct any misapprehensions that may exist about the european union and i have to say the fact that it's a parliament that is doing this that is using taxpayers' money to do this says a lot about the institutions it all brought about parliaments is the person is it's

him a chair of parliament he's the speaker in westminster he's the chairman of the parliaments around the world but he has all the rest of the staff are supposed to be neutral they're not supposed to take any political position at all and the fact that the parliament decided it's going to spend money time and resources doing this shows you that frankly they're no better than a banana republic this is all the mcgarvie would do or someone like that so i think many people outside would be shocked by it having worked there myself for thirteen years i'm not surprised at all they are really really scared they're scared that from north to south to east to west all over the european union citizens are saying we've never voted for this thing to become the united states of europe we've never asked to have the majority of our laws made somewhere else and we want to do something about it so they're scared and they're fighting back well stay with us

during the next hour max keiser and stacy herbert will reveal the politicians they say are responsible for the financial turbulence and. saudi arabia has ordered its retailers to construct one point six meter tall barriers in the middle of their stores a rather unusual demand is that something related to everyone's favorite buzzword terrorism no it is to keep male and female coworkers separate saudi arabia is pretty infamous in the west for its laws regarding the sexes and their segregation activists always want to go to other countries to convince them to adopt western attitudes that deep down in their hearts they secretly want but often they miss things like the fact that it was saudi women who ask for the segregation feeling uncomfortable while buying products from men according to a.f.p.

you know some people in countries like saudi arabia or north korea might actually like living a radically different lifestyle and even if they don't like living that way well it is their job to fix it not by some sort of western intervention when i want to live in either of those countries not really do i want to live in a country with the saudi arabian concept of gender not really but part of having freedom of choice means being able to choose things that i may think are backwards or illogical you know let them have the walls in the stores if they want western civilization you know if it's truly the end all of human evolution then they'll take those walls down eventually on their own but that's just my opinion.

twenty one minutes past the hour you washing business around here with me what i shall i ask oh welcome to the program russia's resort city of sochi is getting ready to host the winter olympics of twenty fourteen and that's already attracting plenty of attention for likely becoming the most expensive olympic games in history the events estimated price tag is fifty one billion dollars that's nearly ten times more than the cost of vancouver's what a games that was just two years ago and the big question of course is is it worth it so i have kiddie pool being here with me to talk this in great detail so katie is that worth it the question is the burning question that a lot of people say yes simply because it's all about the legacy of russia is about what but in the history books and also the future too not just of thought she but russia as a country and what it means you know when when it was won in two thousand and seven

there was euphoria people were jumping with joy it means a lot to the country and in terms of cost eighty five percent of the infrastructure it was actually done from scratch and that's why it's such a lot of money you know as you say but we're talking about rights we're talking about where jesus was power plants and tunnels going through the mountains some pretty cool stuff that's on the agenda also twenty thousand hotel rooms are being laid out so the big one going them and talking about a global scale three point five billion viewers are expected to see russia in all its glory on the bank itself all showcasing it is fine but i mean fifty one billion dollars that's an absurd of a. money right and the more you spend all of this leave the hoarders to make profit and we have seen profitable olympic games in in their history in twenty two two thousand and two salt lake city actually made one hundred mil on its games and beijing made one hundred fifty million two thousand and eight so it is possible we're going to make any money at all it's well it's not about the money though that's the thing that has not seemed to be all that about just now because it's all

about the fun it's all about the excitement of it all and some from the business side i have yes of course i will in terms of money ok i would say the local businesses cafes the restaurants people working in these hotels that are being built just now they're going to be the benefit is out of all of this and also the multiplier effect we know where money comes into our region it really helps everybody out and in terms of the infrastructure that's been built up to about these roads railways not just at the gates of his lay. there for decades potentially centuries to come so we were talking about attracting tourists after the games yeah what kind of tourists were talking about because i mean these are probably domestic tourists from within russia because you know i can hardly imagine that europeans would want to come to sochi with the abundance of summer and winter resorts over in europe lots of competition definitely so i think that's a long shot at the moment so realistically it is the domestic market but come on it's russia under fifty million people it's

a big market right now earlier today we spoke to mike who is seen as he's a c.e.o. of renault of a steroid and he's actually at the moment attempting to build the biggest hotel in europe and he said exactly that. it's a common believe that the airlines are going to decrease the fee the fares and the russian internal tourism is going to take off here it's going cruise for many reasons i doubt that we're going to have a lot of international. destinations being attracted here but domestic travel is definitely going to pick up because so many russians are just not going anywhere and there is a category of russians were traveling internationally but it's still not more than ten percent so if there is a serious number of russians who just prefer to stay in their own country and if you imagine that the. airline fares go two times three times lower it's very convenient to come here two three hour flight and you don't have to cross the border dogsbody you're not spending time on the on the. border control so be

offering all they know is going to be attractive for sure. he says attractive in data and a modest ambition at the moment the domestic market is very much on the radar well i suppose one way of actually trying to make the money is by overcharging the potential spectators for the tickets are we going to see any of that in sochi hopefully in army no i hope not because i would be a travesty ball looking at ticket prices today that they were billed by the committee as such a apparently forty two percent are going to be below one hundred dollars that's good to us affordable and the lowest will be seventeen dollars i'm thinking of students that are really keen on that sports they'll be able to get involved as well or people on the lower end of the salary spectrum to also as well in terms of going to the opening ceremony which i'm sure will be spectacular two hundred dollars that you back for and if we compare it to vancouver as well the games that which i would criticize are being expensive the probably the biggest game

everyone's looking forward to is going to be the finals the ice ok so a party that's going to set you back beginning at two hundred thirty dollars for a ticket that's thirty percent cheaper than. that's very good news. right but i mean if we're trying to control the money here let's also talk about the weather because that was a big issue in vancouver can we control about or at least i'm to support what's going to happen if it's not what we're expecting well i mean you just saw in the faces just that looks for all the some involved at the moment degrees i think it's dean's that is tiny bit of a can some bought by all accounts it's a lot colder up in the mountains of course where the majority of the games will take place but it's whether you know we can't sit here and talk about what's going to happen here. i do know there's a plan b. in action and that involves snowmachine plan b. sounds like money more money you know schools well i just. i skated for example always proud of the definitely not into spending billions of dollars on it that's for sure thank you very much kitty pilgrim here with us and to move it on the air

at a widely anticipated move the set of the european central bank i should say on thursday left the interest rates unchanged they are at a record low of zero point seven five percent on the one hand the recent data shows that europe is on its way to economic recovery which is of course easing the need for more rate cuts but on the other hand the rise a euro hurts european exports that makes the region's economy a less competitive so for the e.c.b. as been resisting the pressure to bring down the value of the euro earlier on thursday i asked stephen jacobsen chief economist at sachs a bank in copenhagen what he thinks of the e.c.b. policies. euro is up three and a half percent that will cost europe in growth terms point three percent of growth in an economy which is already almost tail spinning the actual underlying economy as represented by german g.d.p. was more negative than expected the spanish one was minus point seven so i think we

are back with the same picture again that you know the market is having a party but the real economy is still going from bad to worse. and it's time now to take a look at the markets to see where we stand today over in the states where the trade is still active this hour equities are actually shedding value following a pretty good couple of days there despite the fact that there are some positive stats coming in like the weekly jobless claims that came in better than expected move it on over in europe shares ended the session mixed we saw quite a correction on the footsie down more than one percent but the dax closed above the line as you can see here in moscow the equities didn't manage to withstand the pressure from abroad both indices finished the session in the red and on the currency markets the euro fell ever so slightly against the dollar of the russian ruble close that mix to the major currencies as you're seeing right there and

that's the latest from us and business coming up next it's our interview where we talk to the former cia officer and whistle blower on torture john kerry aku that's just ahead for you after a very short break. there

are twelve cities in the united states in which half of the people with hiv aids lives within a year of a diagnosis of. over six to two percent on. the list with a specific problem that frankly is substantially preventable it was like the big elephant in the room and nobody wanted to talk about it they were really good public health campaigns that people were really focused on this problem and you certainly should be able to have a lot less h i feel a lot less human suffering. live . stream.

will. be misleading. interests me. and him. come out fine i'm a. fifth. john kiriakou will with me today former cia official who blew the whistle on the agency's torture practices after nine eleven john kiriakou served as the chief of counterterrorist operations in pakistan mystically are always reportedly prays that the agency for his will in the capture of abu zubaydah who back in two thousand and

two was thought to be third in command and now years later john kerry is heading to prison he was just sentenced to. two and a half years in jail mr getting out with thank you so much for coming thanks for having me i really appreciate it i know that time is of much value to you and your family now before you. find yourself behind bars. you were convicted of revealing the identity of an agent or freelance reporter who by the way never even published it you said you were greenwich sharing the name of the agent of the officer your policy for it but you also said it was not why the government went after you why do you think the government went after you i've i have never believed that my case was about a leak i have always believed that my case is about torture when i went on a.b.c.

news in december two thousand and seven and i said that not only was the cia torturing prisoners but that the torture policy was an official u.s. government policy that was approved at the very top by the president of the united states himself the cia filed what's called the crimes report against me the next day with the justice department the justice department never stopped investigating me from december of two thousand and seven until i was finally arrested in january of two thousand and twelve so to say that this the disk. case is a result of a name that was found in a in an attorney's brief at guantanamo is just simply not true they were looking for something that they were going for something to pin on me what i find most gracious about your case is ahead you've been actually accused of torture of human rights violations you wouldn't have gone to jail know. they they would dismiss any

accusation because the u.s. government has classified everything related to his torture practices but yet you go to prison because he talked about it why do you think this administration president obama who signed an executive order to stop torture at the very beginning of his first term why do you think he's protecting folks from the previous administration most people don't realize this but president obama has surrounded himself with the same intelligence advisors who advised president bush through most of the first term the cia had the same deputy director that bush had the same director of operations that bush had john brennan who is president obama's new designee to be the cia director and until what a week ago or so was the deputy national security adviser was under president bush the director of the national counterterrorism center up to his eyeballs in torture

policy so even though we changed presidents there was really no change of intelligence advisors at least not on counterterrorism john brennan you mentioned john brennan and i want to ask you about him the future head of the cia what kind of a cia chief is he going to be in your opinion i think he's going to be somebody who will be extremely aggressive. and who will probably be comfortable. walking on the edge of the law you worked with him i did i worked with john brennan for many years and i know him pretty well mr kaplan you yourself supported torture before you were against it what happened what changed your position well let me correct you on that and this is something that that i think most americans missed in my original n.b.c. interview i was trying to draw a distinction between whether torture was right and wrong or whether it worked i believed it was wrong and i called it torture and i said that torture was official

policy that's on the one side on the other side the cia had told us internally at the time that it was working what year was that that was in two thousand to two thousand and three they were telling us that it was working we now know from the inspector general's report that was released in the spring of two thousand and nine that that was a lie that the cia was lying even to those of us inside the cia and i think it was just to protect themselves and to protect the policy but it never worked. did you have a personal experience related to torture are you personally involved in torture no thank god i was never a person involved in torture when i returned from pakistan in the early summer of two thousand and two where i had been chief of counterterrorism operations i was asked by a senior officer in the cia's counterterrorist center if i wanted to be trained in in the use of these torture techniques and i said no i had

a moral problem with it and i didn't want to be associated with it there were fourteen of us at the time who were. made the offer. two of us said no and then one of us not me the other guy changed his mind so i was the only one who was made the offer who declined. because at that time you already believe that it wouldn't work i just thought i didn't know if it would work i mean they were telling us it would but i just believed it was wrong you know it at the cia part of the cia's culture is to couch all issues in shades of grey you have to be very comfortable working in morally nebulous situations or legally nebulous situations but there are some things that really are black and white and i believed that that was a black and white issue there's something that i think you will find interesting and something that i'd like you to comment on polls by the american red cross show

that the majority of americans find torture acceptable sixty percent of young people agree whereas four years ago torture was largely condemned in the u.s. . how did this become thing in normal what happened in those four years i think that many people who told pollsters in the early or middle part of the last decade were reacting to president bush little by little president obama adopted most of president bush's counterterrorism policies and just because he happens to be nobel peace prize winner barack obama after most americans i brought haven't paid much attention all of the strategist body iraq hussein obama do so i think it's a question of education here domestically execute people need to be informed that hollywood have a role to play i think hollywood had a role to play i think that zero dark thirty for example did a grave disservice to counterterrorism zero dark thirty perpetuates this grand

lie that torture led to the the. the killing of osama bin laden it's just simply not true myths often become history one comedian here said movies it was about zero dark thirty about the way it's serious movies is where americans learned their history it's true what myths what other myths do you see being perpetuated now related to the war on terror i think one of the great myths and i chuckle to myself because it always seems so ridiculous to me was president bush's statement that they hate us because we love freedom. i know what al qaeda. i've captured al qaeda fighters i've had conversations sitting across the table like i am with you with all kind of leaders and i can tell you from firsthand personal experience that the reason people take up arms against us is because of

a lack of education yet that i understand that the united states can't educate the whole wall no we can't but we can we can help other countries develop an infrastructure so that they can educate themselves coming more and more about your encounters with those what are their impressions that you have the first kind of fighter i ever caught was in one thousand year old boy from tunisia and the only reason he went to afghanistan was because he had nothing else to do he had no skills and no way of making a living and he wanted to get married so the local in mom said if you want to make some money you know what you should do you should go to afghanistan and make jihad against the americans if you do that i know somebody who will pay your family five hundred dollars and you can use that for a dowry and you can you can get a wife so this kid had nothing against the united states he had never even really thought about the united states so from your experience you saw no ideology i saw very little you see ideology and some of the older fighters some of the leaders the

camp commanders for example sure there's ideology there but in my short time in pakistan i captured fifty two al-qaeda fighters i can count on one hand the number of people who were real ideologues who really were there for jihad who were really there to kill americans three out of fifty two the perception of one condiment two has gone a long way since two thousand and eight when it was a burning and highly controversial issue most recently you know the state department has shut down the office that was working to shut down the guantanamo prison is that this administration's way of saying. forget about guantanamo and let's move on i think it is i think it is again where's the outrage the american people really don't care if kuantan the most open or closed this administration it appears decided not to bother about interrogations guantanamo and prisoners and all

that and just to bomb whoever seems suspicious was drawls what do you think about this administration's no prisoners policy we find ourselves murdering people in many cases children with no evidence whatsoever that they're involved in any criminal or terrorist activity and what this does is it encourages other people to take up arms against us john brennan the architect of the drone program basically and it was last year i think when he claimed that u.s. drone strikes caused no civilian deaths in pakistan over the prior year which was an outright lie by so many accounts do you think we're going to see more transparency was regards to drones with john brennan at the helm of the cia you know. no i don't with john brennan. secrecy is the key word. unless of course you know if he chooses to leak for the benefit of the

administration what did you expect when you decided to go public to come clean on on on torture at the cia i mean your wife worked at the cia and she was fired because of him and your father five and you're going to prison what future did you envision for yourself five years ago. i didn't envision prison in my future five years ago i expected there to be a national debate on whether or not we wanted to use torture as an official u.s. policy now i'm very happy proud actually that i played a role in that debate and now the law of the land is that torture is illegal i'm very proud of that i frankly didn't expect that the government would would go after me so relentlessly i stood in the snow for two hours to vote for president obama

i really believed that this was a positive change i believed that he deserved that nobel peace prize or only because i expected things to change so dramatically at the beginning of his first term so no i never believed i would be going to prison under a president obama never and that's been i think my biggest disappointment but you haven't seen a dramatic change i haven't seen any change no torture he stopped torture sure but in terms of counterterrorism policy i think the obama administration is largely an extension of the bush administration and stick it out with thank you for the interview i wish all the best thanks very much for having me.

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